while i was in isreal i was tought a lot of different things but one thing that stood out to me the most was where in rambam hilchot v'yoval 13:12-13 that shevet levi learned all the time and all day and anyone who feels that they can do that should be allowed to.
dad I'm not the office 9-5 type. i want to join a kollel
i know father that i have a lot of priorities in my life but at this point in my life, i have decided that torah is my #1 priority right now
yoseph your really starting to make me concerned and unless you can prove to me that learning torah all day is good for you, I will not let you go.
I am very impressed that you have fallen in love with torah but the world is not the same place it used to be and you need to know your priorities
but father i have changed as a person not only physically but spiritually as well, and i think it would be best for me to do what i love, and i have more sources to prove to you that i am right,
yoseph, relax son, you have to understand that you are going to need to provide for your family one day and learning torah all day won't help. in the gamarah you showed me i saw that abiyay says that many have followed rabbi yishmael, successfully but the ones who followed ran shamon bar yochi were not, and i want you to be successful
yoseph had gone to isreal the year before and he immediatly fell in love with torah and instead of going on to college like everyone else he has decided that he want to go back to isreal for another year and continue to learn more torah.
wow, dad really appriciate the opinion you just taught me about splitting my day into 2 parts one for learning and others for working. I really love this opinion and if I'm going to ever work I would follow this, but you still haven't won me over on going to college Torah is going to be my life forever.
If there is no flour, there is not torah, if there is no torah, there is no flour...
yoseph finnaly gets home to see his father. they said their hellos and his father can tell that Yoseph had grown in his torah learning. yoseph started to learn some massechecht shabbot 31a. as they started to learn yoseph stopped his father to show him what rava said about when a person is being brought to judgment and one of those 4 is "did you desagnate time for torah?" after learning these sorces yoseph started to tell his dad about how he he fell in love with torah while he was in isreal and he wanted to make it his lifstyle.
wow father the quote that i showed you in perki avot 3:5 proves that by me learning torah all day, I will ultimately be fine not to mention the rest of the stuff i proved to you which should have already convinced you to let me learn all day
yoseph there is one major factor that you are not putting into play, in pirkei avot 2:2 it sates " ultimately, all torah study that is not accompanied with work is destained to cease and to cause sin..." meaning if your going to learn torah all day, without a job, it will eventually lead to sin.
yoseph starts to talk with his father about the situation ana how he can proove to his father about how learning all day is ok. he first started by opening up gamarah brachot and shows his father a quote from rabbi shimon bar yochi which says, "if one works, the torah will be neglected , but if anyone follows the torah, he will merit that others do work for him. yoseph explains this statment to his father that as long as he learns all day, G-d will take care of him finnancially.
yoseph its been a couple of hours now and we have been going back and forth with good sources proving each other wrong. although i tried proving to you why you shouldn't learn all day. at the end of the day i am your father and i want you to be happy and do what you love more then anything and wouldnt want to force you to do anything you don't want to, so yoseph i am giving you permission to go learn all day if that's what you really feel is best for you.
so yosephs father really starts to dissagree with him, and he thinks its time for yoseph to grow up and hes taking it too far, and he wants him to relize this is real life and you need to work in order to put food on the table. so yosephs father starts to explain to him a what it means by quoting from perek avot 3:17, "if there is no flour there is no torah, if there is no torah, there is no flour..." meaning that if you dont work you cant learn becasue you wont be able to provide for youself. after his father told him this, he stiill felt he is obligated to learn all day, but he started to question himself a little
Yoseph let me teach you one more thing the shulchan urach says. " one should combine torah learning and work, in accordance with rabbi yishmael."
yospeh and his father continue to argue about the situation, and yoseph is still conflicted because he is starting to think that his father might actually be right. then while this was happening yospeh was reading perki avot 3:5 and came across " one who accepts upon himself the yoke of torah is exempt from the yoke of government duties and the yoke of worldly cares" yoseph explains this quote by saying that as long as one accepts upon them self to learn all day they will be exempt from government duties (work)
Yehuda and his father come to the cunclusion after there great debate on torah learing. Yehuda father put up a good fight brought in great statments to prove he right. Although his father tried his hardest. it still didnt change yehudas mind and yehuda father ends up allwoing yehuda to not go to colloge but instead join kollel
wow father thank you so much for making me the happiest son ever and and thank you even more for understanding. i promise father i will not let you down learning all day and hope you can come learn with me some day, i love you so much!